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Closing the Border with Armenia

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Today someone wanted to remove a phrase about the closing of the border. While it is "only" a capital of a border province, the info is significant as the railways to Armenia from Kars were closed after the shut down of the border. But the info was present twice, once in the very lead and once under transport. So I moved the phrase down from the lead to transport and adapted the phrase a bit. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 05:20, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Grand Mosque of Kars

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Do we have sources on the burning other than Turkish source. The current sources are only Turkish news media articles. Maidyouneed (talk) 01:31, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Could you do us a favor and translate those Turkish articles into English using Google Translate? Dominator1071 (talk) 17:33, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is not that we can not use google translate, its the source is Turkish. It is forbidden for the Turkish media, to report about the Armenian Genocide as we have multiple articles on Wikipedia which treat people being sentenced by Turkey for reporting or just speaking about it. The Turkish media are suspicious and not seen as reliable regarding the Armenians. A source from a Western (Europe/USA) University accepted by the majority of the academic world would be better to source this.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 19:55, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed it is not about the language. It is about the sources themselves. They are all only very recent Turkish news media articles newly describing a very old event. 3 out 5 are the same article, 1 out of 5 looks down (memurlar). All of the sources are republishing news from elsewhere, acting as news portal/aggregators; They are not the actual news sources themselves. The articles are describing a recent exhibition put on by the then Mosque Association president which isn't a reliable source in itself. That these are all only Turkish sources in regards to the Armenians around the time of the Armenian genocide also challenges their reliability. Maidyouneed (talk) 22:18, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Armenian name

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Why is the Armenian name of the town included? These have been Turkish and Kurdish lands for a thousand years. Articles on Greek islands that were Turkish territory a hundred years ago are not allowing Turkish names to be included! Double standards seem to be at play. Someone explain it logically please. Dominator1071 (talk) 23:21, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't duplicate comments like this on multiple pages. But since you are doing this, I will copy my answer from Talk:Van, Turkey#Armenian name:
As a general rule, Ottoman names should be given for former parts of the Ottoman Empire now part of Greece, as for example in Chania, Crete, Lesbos, Giannitsa, etc.
If you could point out Greek places where the Ottoman place name is "not allowed to be included", please let me know.
Similarly, areas which have had important Armenian populations in the past should include the Armenian name. --Macrakis (talk) 13:34, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

30 ekim dünya Karslılar günü

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Gazeteci Yazar, Mehmet Ali Arslan tarafından 2000 ve 2016 yıllarında duyurulan Dünya Karslılar günü 2024 yılında ilan edildi.ve ilk kutlaması 30 ekim Çarşamba günü Dünya genelinde kutlandı,Dünya Karslılar günü her sene 30 Ekim'de 78.180.134.79 (talk) 07:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Evlerde ve Sosyal medyada kutlamalar yoğundu güzel bir etkinlik her sene 30 Ekim'de devam Blogyazari34 (talk) 08:00, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Historical timeline of the city (approx)

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  • 6000 BCE Shulaveri–Shomu Culture
  • 4000 BCE Kura–Araxes Culture
  • 3000 BCE Trialeti–Vanadzor Culture
  • 2000 BCE Hurrians
  • 1500 BCE Hittite Empire
  • 1300 BCE Hayasa-Azzi
  • 1200 BCE Nairi
  • 900 BCE Urartu
  • 600 BCE Median Kingdom
  • 500 BCE Scythians
  • 400 BCE Achaemenid Empire
  • 350 BCE Kingdom of Iberia
  • 300 BCE Kingdom of Greater Armenia
  • 145 CE Parthian Empire
  • 300 CE Byzantine Empire & Sassanian Empire
  • 600 CE Principality of Iberia
  • 737 CE Umayyad & Abbasid Caliphate
  • 888 CE Bagratid Kingdom - Capital
  • 1045 CE Byzantine Empire
  • 1064 CE Seljuk Empire
  • 1206 CE Kingdom of Georgia
  • 1242 CE Ilkhanate
  • 1358 CE Jalayirid Sultanate
  • 1380 CE Qara Qoyunlu
  • 1387 CE Timurid Empire
  • 1390 CE Eretnids
  • 1400 CE Ak Qoyunlu
  • 1500 CE Safavid Iran
  • 1535 CE Ottoman Empire
  • 1878 CE Russian Empire - Oblast
  • 1917 CE First Armenian Republic — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.9.115.168 (talk) 20:27, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • 1918 CE Provisional National Government of the Southwestern Caucasus - Capital
  • 1920 CE Government of the Grand National Assembly
  • 1923 CE Turkey

79.185.124.185 (talk) 22:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Peer review

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Kars

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Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch • Watch peer review


I've listed this article for peer review because of a possible GA application.

Thanks, KarsVegas36 (talk) 15:10, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ThatPB95 Fan

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Few things I've noticed:

  • Sports section: "The town has a football club named Kars S.K."
  • Sports section: I would separate the two sentences about the football club and Bandy. I saw the (football) club's name as "Kars S.K. Bandy".
  • Sports section: Is "Kars S.K." actually just Karsspor? Closest thing I could find that resembled "Kars S.K." was Karşıyaka S.K., located in Izmir. I don't really know much about Turkish football :/
  • Sports/Education sections: Is there any more info you can find about sports and education in Kars? Otherwise just move them into a larger section
  • Government section:

The present day ethnic make-up of Kars is also reflected in politics, with the Turks and Azerbaijanis often voting for the nationalist MHP and the Kurds often voting for the pro-Kurdish HDP. On 30 March 2014, Murtaza Karaçanta (MHP) was elected mayor. During the June 2015 elections, Kars was won by the pro-Kurdish HDP, becoming the largest political party in both the city and the province of Kars.

If possible please source these, especially the mayoral election and the June 2015 elections.

  • History section:

After World War II, the Soviet Union attempted to annul the Kars treaty and regain the Kars region and the adjoining region of Ardahan. On June 7, 1945, Soviet Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov told the Turkish ambassador to Moscow Selim Sarper that the regions should be returned to the Soviet Union, on behalf of the Georgian and Armenian republics. Turkey found itself in a difficult position: it wanted good relations with the Soviet Union, but at the same time they refused to give up the territories. Turkey itself was in no condition to fight a war with the Soviet Union, which had emerged as a superpower after the second world war. By the autumn of 1945, Soviet troops in the Caucasus were ordered to prepare for a possible invasion of Turkey. Prime Minister Winston Churchill objected to these territorial claims, while President Harry Truman initially felt that the matter should not concern other parties.

I consulted the copyvio detector, and most of this section was flagged (40.1% similarity) to https://inazerbaijan.co.uk/modern-history/

  1. Why is "second world war" not capitalised?
  2. And most of this section is uncited.


  • History section: There is a citation needed tag at "The Treaty of Kars established peaceful relations between the two nations, but as early as 1939, some British diplomats noted..."
  • History section: Some more unsourced claims, which I think could be a topic of concern:
  1. In 963, shortly after the Bagratuni seat was transferred to Ani, Kars became the capital of a separate independent kingdom, again called Vanand. However, the extent of its actual independence from the Kingdom of Ani is uncertain: it was always in the possession of the relatives of the rulers of Ani, and, after Ani's capture by the Byzantine Empire in 1045, the Bagratuni title "King of Kings" held by the ruler of Ani was transferred to the ruler of Kars.
  2. In 1807, Kars successfully resisted an attack by the Russian Empire.
  3. From 1878 to 1881 more than 82,000 Muslims from formerly Ottoman-controlled territory migrated to the Ottoman Empire. Among those there were more than 11,000 people from the city of Kars.
  4. In the First World War, the city was one of the main objectives of the Ottoman army during the lost Battle of Sarikamish in the Caucasus Campaign. Russia ceded Kars, Ardahan and Batum to the Ottoman Empire under the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk on 3 March 1918. However, by then Kars was under the effective control of Armenian and non-Bolshevik Russian forces.
  5. In May 1919, Kars came under the full administration of the Armenian Republic and became the capital of its Vanand province.
  6. Skirmishes between the Turkish revolutionaries and Armenian border troops in Olti took place during the summer of 1920.
  7. The terms of the Treaty of Alexandropol, signed by the representatives of Armenia and Turkey on 2 December 1920, forced Armenia to give back all the Ottoman territories granted to it in the Treaty of Sèvres.
  8. The Treaty of Kars, signed in 1921 by the Government of the Grand National Assembly and by the Soviet republics of Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia, established the current north-eastern boundaries of Turkey.
  • Etymology section: "...including Karuts’ k’aghak’ ('Kars city'), Karuts’ berd, Amrots’n Karuts’, and Amurn Karuts’" ?
  • Transport section: "Turkey's border crossings with Armenia, including the rail link, the Kars-Gyumri-Tbilisi railway, have regrettably been closed since April 1993." - remove "regrettably" (MOS:EDITORIAL potentially) and cite
  • Transport section:

Kars is served by a main highway from Erzurum, and lesser roads run north to Ardahan and south to Igdir. The town has an airport (Kars Harakani Airport), with daily direct flights to Ankara and Istanbul. Kars is served by a station on the Turkish Railways (TCDD) that links it to Erzurum. This line was originally laid when Kars was within the Russian Empire and connected the city to nearby Alexandropol and Tiflis, with a wartime, narrow-gauge extension running to Erzurum.

Citations preferably (what's the main highway's name?)

  • Places of interest: No citations on Kars Citadel. In "Other historical structures", there's a list but I don't know what it's listing.
  • In popular culture: MOS:POPCULT - The section has no citations.
  • In popular culture: I would organise by time. Also, the sentence that mentions "Yerkir Nairi" has no period

Note that I'm not an experienced peer reviewer, please take my suggestions with a grain of salt (I could be wrong!)

I'm also asking you to review my article Rockbank railway station in return. If you are unable to review it, that's alright. :D

Cheers, ThatPB95 Fan (talk) 10:29, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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